Posted - 2009.11.18 13:54:00 - [1201]

 

Originally by: Ji Sama

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Originally by: Kalrand

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Originally by: Dzil

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Hey, I know I represent all of a whopping 200m in this venture, but maybe this would be the right time to execute a round of ME / PE research on the BPOs, till demand recovers? I don't mind waiting out a recovering in the BPC price till next cycle; an investment in the value of the BPO guarantees an increased value of the shares.

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This is a very good idea.

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I second this.

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+1 share

Posted - 2009.11.21 16:27:00 - [1203]

 

Originally by: Icaly

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Originally by: Breaker77

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Originally by: Icaly

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I need to sell my 250 shares, please mail me in game if you are interested in buying them.
Icaly

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Msg sent

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ISK received and shares sent thank you

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Shares received, Thanks.

Posted - 2009.11.30 08:07:00 - [1205]

 

I keep getting enquiries about purchasing the Avatar and Erebus BPCs, which will not be ready for some time. The issue with this is that I am hopefull that BPC prices will recover a little in the future so it is difficult to pitch a price effectively. Therefore I am generally going for a proposal whereby a deposit is paid and a maximum price is agreed but if the "market price" at the time of sale is substantially lower we will adjust the final price to compensate. We still get a non-refundable deposit on these sales far in advance, so I feel the deal is fairly balanced.

Posted - 2009.11.30 22:40:00 - [1207]

 

Originally by: ****k vandyke

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I need cash for a business opportunity before Dominion downtime so im willing to sell my 1000 shares for 95% of original value. Convo me in game if you are interested

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message sent

Posted - 2009.11.30 23:03:00 - [1209]

 

Damn you breaker!
Greedy bastard!

Posted - 2009.11.30 23:15:00 - [1211]

 

Edited by: Sama''s Minion on 30/11/2009 23:16:48
he just scammed me out of 760M ^^
was tired, should have used bobby as 3rd party :(

didnt even eve search him what was i thinking :(
i thought i knew his name :(
guess thats my christmas bonus, enjoy it.
let this be a lesson in how NOT to trade shares :D

-Ji Sama

Posted - 2009.12.01 00:42:00 - [1213]

 

Originally by: CaptainBRO

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There any buyers left?

Willing to sell 500 shares.

Msg in game.

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Plenty of buyers, but has to wait until after patch (servers going down in 1 1/2 hrs) and has to use Bad Bobby to transfer them, let me know if interested.

Posted - 2009.12.01 16:13:00 - [1215]

 

And they said Titans 4U didnt pay

Posted - 2010.01.03 05:33:00 - [1217]

 

Originally by: BlackMail

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so whats going on with this? havent heard anything

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It's completely failed and I'm buying shares at 50% original price, convo me if interested in selling

Posted - 2010.01.03 08:47:00 - [1219]

 

Titans did get a nasty nerf but its too soon to say how the market manage in 2010.Only time will show.

Posted - 2010.01.03 10:30:00 - [1221]

 

Haha Varo, I think we need a little more time to get a clear view of the sinus curve :D
Market is crashing atm, it will recover :D That is the circle of eve.
Rest of your points are more than valid, and would like an answer for that :D

Posted - 2010.01.03 10:55:00 - [1223]

 

Im my own opinion i think most large alliances will still lose titans but the ones that have 1-2 or two would wait for the upcoming lag fix that has to go trough some testing first.So the price could get stable again in few months.

Posted - 2010.01.03 11:10:00 - [1225]

 

Originally by: Ji Sama

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Haha Varo, I think we need a little more time to get a clear view of the sinus curve :D
Market is crashing atm, it will recover :D That is the circle of eve.
Rest of your points are more than valid, and would like an answer for that :D

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There are two exit strategies:
1. Hit by a bus - very clear.
2. BPC market dies - very imprecise.

All I´m suggesting is that the latter strategy is given more substance, otherwise there will be perpetual arguments.
"It is dead!"
"No, it´s just a cycle."
"Yeahbut, the NEXT expansion will buff Titans."
"Yeahbut...."

"If no BPCs are sold in two years, we will liquidate," or "If only one BPC is sold in a year, we will liquidate."
Something like that, perhaps?

Posted - 2010.01.05 12:10:00 - [1227]

 

Originally by: BlackMail

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so whats going on with this? havent heard anything

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There hasn't been much to report. Research and copying of the BPOs has been proceeding as planned and no sales have been made due to the current state of the Titan market.

Originally by: Breaker77

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It's completely failed and I'm buying shares at 50% original price, convo me if interested in selling

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I smell manipulation.

Originally by: Varo Jan

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How much longer before you decide the market is dead?

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Much longer.

The Titan has been substantially rebalanced in the recent patch and while this is a nerf from their previous potency it hasn't made them useless and has made them more prone to being used in the kind of engagements where they are liable to be destroyed. Titans will continue to be used and lost and as time goes on they will be used and lost in even greater numbers. Those losses will need to be replaced and a portion of those replacements will be produced from Titan BPCs.

In addition to the rebalance which has given pause to both Titan pilots and manufacturers, we have seen a complete overhaul of sov mechanics which has drastically changed the 0.0 landscape that Titans are customarily employed and produced within. Add on the bug/lag effect that is currently experienced in 0.0 in any sizable fleet action which is making many fleet engagements a very one sided affair and giving fleet commanders good reasons not to employ large quantities of the more expensive capital assets... it's not at all suprising that the Titan market has taken a nosedive.

However, once the lag has been fixed and the Titan and sov changes have been fully adjusted to we are going to see a return of the frequent Titan lossmail and an associated improvement in the Titan market. We're already seeing evidence of this. It remains to be seen how far the rebound in the Titan market will go and how profitable BPC production will be long term, but this is definately not the end for Titans.

We need to give it a few more months at least.

Originally by: Varo Jan

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If you were to liquidate now, what percentage would you be able to recover - max and min?

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I'd have to look at the sales of Titan BPOs to give a price on that, but I'd say that now is probably the worst time to sell one.

In addition to selling the BPOs, it's worth remembering that ME research on the BPOs and the copying to produce BPCs takes 4 months per run, to terminate the operation part way through means to lose all the progress to that point. It would make sense to plan for liquidation so that we can do it as each BPO completes a cycle so that we have BPCs to sell (at firesale prices if needed) and ME1 BPOs to sell at better prices than ME0 examples.

Originally by: Varo Jan

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Two trustees appear to have left the game. Will that prevent you from liquidating?

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The absence of trustees has no effect on liquidation provided I am still around.

Now I do understand your concerns, even though I believe the current situation is temporary, so I'll formulate a liquidation plan that fits in with the current research and copying schedule. That plan will have milestone dates where it makes sense to decide wether we put a BPO back in for another run or take it to Jita for liquidation. We can then discuss the matter prior to each of those milestones so that I can make a decision.

Posted - 2010.01.05 13:01:00 - [1229]

 

Are there still any shares available, or someone wanting to sell theirs?