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Chasghar |
Posted - 2009.06.14 18:13:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Chasghar on 14/06/2009 18:13:56
I have wondered for a while that why does amarr have so bad assault frigates? Vengeance can do more damage with pulse lasers than with missiles and why does retribution only have 1 med slot? Can't you take one high-slot off and put it to med so we amarrians can also use assault frigates? |
Cpt Constantinus
Corp 54 |
Posted - 2009.06.14 18:14:00 - [ 2]
Retri is a fine assault frig.
Leave the tackling to your gangmates and concentrate
on melting your enemies. |
Lucian Mortimer
Spacecataz.
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Posted - 2009.06.14 18:57:00 - [ 3]
Having one mid slot only cripples your solo ability. The Retribution works great in gangs, and I would hate to lose the utility high slot.
As for the Vengeance, it's been said a million times - fix rockets and you fix the Vengeance.
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Chasghar |
Posted - 2009.06.14 19:31:00 - [ 4]
Would be nice to solo with the retribution |
Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest |
Posted - 2009.06.14 19:40:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Cambarus on 14/06/2009 19:40:21
STFU with the complaints about not being able to solo with the retri. Contrary to popular belief a ship CAN suck at solo pvp while still being a good pvp ship (a la caldari recons) and amarr already have plenty of pwnage solo ships.
EDIT: Rockets do need some love though, make them like torps in that they deal blaster damage at farther range but require a web/painter to be 100% effective |
abrasive soap
Operational Detachment-Alpha
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Posted - 2009.06.14 19:57:00 - [ 6]
a frigate with less midslots than its tech 1 counterpart is pretty bad (oh hi there retribution) |
General Trajan
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 20:11:00 - [ 7]
retribution is fine for it's intended role. but the vengeance is a problem for me. it should never be bonused with the use rockets (the malediction has that already), but it should be bonused towards the use of standard launchers using light missiles as it should IMO.
that would make the vengeance a "real" assault frig then! |
abrasive soap
Operational Detachment-Alpha
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Posted - 2009.06.14 20:20:00 - [ 8]
 Originally by: General Trajan
retribution is fine for it's intended role. but the vengeance is a problem for me. it should never be bonused with the use rockets (the malediction has that already), but it should be bonused towards the use of standard launchers using light missiles as it should IMO.
that would make the vengeance a "real" assault frig then!
that makes 0 sense; the khanid line is close range, high damage, "unguided" (but really guided) missiles |
General Trajan
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 20:47:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: abrasive soap
Originally by: General Trajan
retribution is fine for it's intended role. but the vengeance is a problem for me. it should never be bonused with the use rockets (the malediction has that already), but it should be bonused towards the use of standard launchers using light missiles as it should IMO.
that would make the vengeance a "real" assault frig then!
that makes 0 sense; the khanid line is close range, high damage, "unguided" (but really guided) missiles
just because CCP rights a "story about a races philosophy in tactics" doesn't mean they actually back it up with how they bonus those ships! like the damnation for instance. velocity bonus for heavy missiles as well as HAMs. or CCP giving a boost to javelin rockets! |
Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2009.06.14 21:00:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: abrasive soap
a frigate with less midslots than its tech 1 counterpart is pretty bad (oh hi there retribution)
People who complain about the slot layout of the retribution have no friends. |
Hiroshima Jita |
Posted - 2009.06.14 21:17:00 - [ 11]
Cpt Constantinus is that a Haiku? |
abrasive soap
Operational Detachment-Alpha
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Posted - 2009.06.14 23:28:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: abrasive soap
a frigate with less midslots than its tech 1 counterpart is pretty bad (oh hi there retribution)
People who complain about the slot layout of the retribution have no friends.
When I want to bring dps I bring a zealot when I want to tackle I bring a frigate. |
Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.15 01:56:00 - [ 13]
Retribution is good.
When you're in frig gangs, having a retribution in the gang that can hit with pulse out to 22km and track interceptors...is good... |
Chasghar |
Posted - 2009.06.15 12:55:00 - [ 14]
Maybe you guys like more to blob someone but I get more satisfaction when I solo someone and there will be an actual fight |
Rashmika Clavain
Gallente |
Posted - 2009.06.15 13:04:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Chasghar
Maybe you guys like more to blob someone but I get more satisfaction when I solo someone and there will be an actual fight
Then don't fly a ship with one mid slot? As many people have said, it's a great ship for bringing dps into a frigate/assaultfrigate gang. |
Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest |
Posted - 2009.06.15 13:04:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Chasghar
Maybe you guys like more to blob someone but I get more satisfaction when I solo someone and there will be an actual fight
You need ONE other guy to tackle, in what way is that a blob? Anyway, if you want to solo that's your decision, but not all ships are built for that purpose, and given that the amarr already have a bunch of ridiculously good solo boats I'm going to say stfu and quit your whining, it's even more irritating than when the caldari complain about not being good at solo pvp  |
Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction |
Posted - 2009.06.15 13:15:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: General Trajan
just because CCP rights a "story about a races philosophy in tactics" doesn't mean they actually back it up with how they bonus those ships! like the damnation for instance. velocity bonus for heavy missiles as well as HAMs. or CCP giving a boost to javelin rockets!
The concept of the Vengeance is fine. The only problem with it is that rockets happen to be a pretty poor weapon system right now for various reasons; thus the Vengeance suffers from this indirectly. As stated above - fix rockets, and you fix the Vengeance. |
Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.15 16:12:00 - [ 18]
I thought solo pvp was a myth
Retri is one of the best AFs, sure its suited for gang work, but this is an mmo. . .
The Vengence is broken because Rockets are broken (as stated) and no, if Amarr get standard missles, then Caldari will cry. |
UMEE
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.06.15 18:34:00 - [ 19]
retribution is baaaaaad |
WhiteGhostBear
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group |
Posted - 2009.06.15 18:48:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Chasghar
Edited by: Chasghar on 14/06/2009 18:13:56
Vengeance can do more damage with pulse lasers than with missiles
You're doing it wrong. Fit blasters or autocannons. Sad, but true.  |
NeoNeTiC
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.15 18:54:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: UMEE
retribution is baaaaaad
I agree. To the guy who said "just leave tackling to everyone else and do DPS" - why not get a damn cruiser for the same cost (or maybe less) which outperforms the Retri when it comes to DPS?  |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente |
Posted - 2009.06.15 18:56:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Cpt Constantinus
Retri is a fine assault frig.
Leave the tackling to your gangmates and concentrate
on melting your enemies.
There is the problem, a T1 cruiser would let you do this cheaper and more effectively :) |
General Trajan
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.15 19:11:00 - [ 23]
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Quafe Industries |
Posted - 2009.06.15 19:12:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: General Trajan
retribution is fine for it's intended role. but the vengeance is a problem for me. it should never be bonused with the use rockets (the malediction has that already), but it should be bonused towards the use of standard launchers using light missiles as it should IMO.
that would make the vengeance a "real" assault frig then!
Hawk? |
General Trajan
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.15 19:16:00 - [ 25]
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance |
Posted - 2009.06.15 19:24:00 - [ 26]
[Retribution, Farmer's Daughter (CNR killer)]
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S
[empty high slot]
Energy Burst Aerator I
Energy Collision Accelerator I
Cheap and effective, the signature is so small it tanks ravens easily, kills drones fairly easily due to high resists and is cap stable... for the half hour it takes to kill someone. And I have yet to have a farmer shoot EM missiles at me.
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Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.15 19:30:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: abrasive soap
a frigate with less midslots than its tech 1 counterpart is pretty bad (oh hi there retribution)
People who complain about the slot layout of the retribution have no friends.
Not everyone wants to roam around in 30 man gangs all day and AS's should be a viable solo frig. TBH you would have better luck soloing in the Punisher than in the Retribution. I trained this alt as Amarr for the BS's (just love that Abaddon) but I have become a bit sad with the lack of solo ships. On my Minmatar I can fly the Wolf or the Jag and they are great for Soloing. With Amarr about the only good T2 solo frig are the Inti's and they lack the ability to solo kill anything of size fast enough to keep the blob from landing on you. I'm not big on nerfing or boosting ships, but it would be great if each race had a viable solo T2 AS. Minmatar have the Wolf. Caldari have the Harpy Gallente have the Ishkur All of which can take on other ships solo and are able to tackle. With Amarr you have to fly an Inti if you want to be able to solo tackle, but then you deal out much less DPS. |
Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.15 19:36:00 - [ 28]
Edited by: Mutnin on 15/06/2009 19:38:37
edit.. n/m |
Typhado3
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.06.15 20:19:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Cpt Constantinus
Retri is a fine assault frig.
Leave the tackling to your gangmates and concentrate
on melting your enemies.
this, I quite like it |
Kingwood
Amarr
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2009.06.15 20:34:00 - [ 30]
Why would people want to use a Retri for gang DPS instead of a, say, Omen?
AFs suck in general, tbh. |
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