| Author |
Topic |
QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2004.09.15 17:36:00 - [ 1]
Oveur confirmed on today's dev chat that the plan for systems canning is to end safespots entirely.What is your opinion on this? |
Discorporation
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.09.15 17:39:00 - [ 2]
Yay! |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2004.09.15 18:36:00 - [ 3]
Nay, pressing a button and getting a readout on an entire solar system and everything in it trying to hide is g@y.
Work on an intelligent solution instead of these either or nerfs, you're computergame developers not conservative judges.
Why not let ganker corporations hold a vote from their docks whether or not my base should blow up and save them the bother? |
Claire Scott
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe |
Posted - 2004.09.15 18:46:00 - [ 4]
I don't have a problem with it though I think it should require a skill and a module.
-E |
Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
|
Posted - 2004.09.15 18:47:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 15/09/2004 18:49:04
Nay.
I like how it actually takes some mental capacity to be able to work the scanner. |
Bhaal
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
|
Posted - 2004.09.15 18:54:00 - [ 6]
As long as it requires new skills & modules to scan, and there are skills & modules to counter, I'm all for it...
So whoever has the higher skills and or better modules, can find/hide better, etc... |
Carmen Priano
Caldari
Cascade Industries
|
Posted - 2004.09.15 18:58:00 - [ 7]
What do you mean, yay or nay? This isn't a democracy -- it's a game. There's a difference. And before you start saying "But I'm paying! They have to listen to me!" -- no, they don't -have- to do anything; yes, they -should- listen and take notes. However, just because -you- think something is good or bad doesn't make it so, as the developers need to think not just of suiting the population, but evolving game mechanics so as to better suit their vision. We have to give a -little- bit of trust to the developers, y'know?
That said, we don't know -anything- of the mechanics of this. It may be extremely difficult, it may need lots of time, it may need modules/skills that will be farking rare and hard to get, it may be as easy as saying "YAR! THERE BE SAFESPOTS HERE!" and ganking the sods. -We don't know,- and as such I think we should hold -all- opinions 'til we -do- know more. |
Dianabolic
Reikoku |
Posted - 2004.09.15 19:01:00 - [ 8]
 Originally by: Bhaal
As long as it requires new skills & modules to scan, and there are skills & modules to counter, I'm all for it...
So whoever has the higher skills and or better modules, can find/hide better, etc...
Agreed. |
hired goon |
Posted - 2004.09.15 19:08:00 - [ 9]
It wasn't really elaborated on enough for me to make any sort of comment  |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2004.09.15 19:08:00 - [ 10]
 I don't know if death is as bad as some say either but I'm rather reluctant to die nevertheless... Their trackrecord speak for itself, highways, R&D, the map. Finding people without any real effort in a system is very much all she wrote for those not wanting to be found. Therefor the let's wait and see option is only for your local blobsters. Is there a countermeassure for the warpfield disruptors yet? I forget. |
Siddy
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2004.09.15 19:26:00 - [ 11]
wery_Big_ YAY  |
Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
|
Posted - 2004.09.15 19:31:00 - [ 12]
So people will just log rather than safespot. How is this helpful again? |
Siddy
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2004.09.15 19:45:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
So people will just log rather than safespot. How is this helpful again?
Atleast they wont take up Bandwidh... |
Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2004.09.15 19:57:00 - [ 14]
yay as long as...
- specialist skills are required
- specialist modules are required
- maybe even specialist ships
along with ability to filter range scans to look for pertcular objects like ships for eg for ice fields so you dont have to wade through a billion asteroids to see what your looking for. |
Dirtball
PinK Tac0 ReasearcH
|
Posted - 2004.09.15 20:04:00 - [ 15]
POS's have to be by moons right? if so then Yay. If you were able to hide a POS though then I would say No to system scanning. |
Orb Lati
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
|
Posted - 2004.09.16 00:41:00 - [ 16]
would be nice if there was amore stratigic element to it.
Perhaps bring in a Line of Sight System where Celestrial Bodies will obscure objects behind them. |
Araviel
Gallente
Aliastra
|
Posted - 2004.09.16 01:38:00 - [ 17]
i say yay, and you can still hide whit cloaks :) |
Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core |
Posted - 2004.09.16 02:18:00 - [ 18]
Assuming that this system scanner basically turns finding safe spots into a simple point and lick operation then personally speaking this has me worried for several reasons.
Pvp is now going to become a pure count the number of battleships game in the end. If a larger fleet arrives the all it takes is a few clicks and it's an easy gank for them, so now the small guerilla raids are gone in favour of whoever can make the biggest fleet. This is basicalyl going to screw any small corp trying to get it's first steps into the big bad 0.0 space (and NO I don't think that they should HAVE to join some alliance to operate in 0.0) as well as freelancers.
As stated before, this is going to increase the number of mid warp logouts and similar that will occur by some unfortunate pilots that get caught in a log in trap with no where to run and soon, no where to hide.
I know quite a few people who make small careers for themselves tracking down safe spots for other people/corps, for themselves etc and had turned it into an art form that others were willing to pay a reasonable price for, or they located for themselves a nice stash of battleships some kind souls had left at an ss (presumably for some minning op). In a single stroke this has wiped out an entire player generated career forcing them to become take one of the more typical careers that anyone can do (miner, fighter, hauler, whatever).
CCP seem to be wiping out any chance for people to carve out unique roles for themselves by turning them into simple operataions that any player with a single brain cell can do. Eve is fast running out of means for players to use their own actual skills, patience etc to their advantage by having the devs automate so many of these functions and persaonlly it has me very worried. |
Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.09.16 02:22:00 - [ 19]
\o/ Yay!
|
Rhia
Amarr
Viziam |
Posted - 2004.09.16 02:43:00 - [ 20]
Nay, not always knowing everything makes the game more interesting. |
Omniwar
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2004.09.16 02:48:00 - [ 21]
I wish they would just start by removing the avatars from local chat in 0.0 non-empire systems and also remove the Pilots in space and Pilots currently docked in non-empire 0.0 systems.
It should on the other hand be possible to scan more than several AU but then again it shouldnt be possible to warp straight to the ships on scanner.
But at least give us the option of warping in the direction of ships/cans on the scanner so it will still require some skills to track it down. |
ErrorS
Caldari |
Posted - 2004.09.16 02:50:00 - [ 22]
System scanning right now is stupid.. I wanna be able to scan a whole system and warp to someone's safespot. HOWEVER, it shouldn't be as simple as "press a button, scan whole system, warp to wherever". A little bit of mystery and exploration is good :)
I like the idea of it being a module or specific ship. Only allow Covert Op ships to system scan.. that would be awesome. Two birds with one stone.. it will make covert ops more useful AND it would completely destroy the safespot. People could run, but if someone has a covert ops ship they cant stay there for long. (Not saying covert ops arent useful now. but inlike interceptors, they're not a "one in every battle" kinda ship)
So yea.. i think completely doing away with safe spots is good IF it requires a small amount of work. It shouldn't be as easy as clicking on something on your scanner and warping to them. I can imagine a covert op warping in cloaked, checking it out, giving his group information and having them warp to him.. now THAT would be awesome :D |
Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core |
Posted - 2004.09.16 03:02:00 - [ 23]
Agree completely with omniwar and errors posts.
Removing local and map information (at leat in 0.0 if no where else) would really help with stealth and help balance the all seeing system scan.
The idea of enhancing the covert ops frigates role by allowing it to the the only ship that can warp to safe spots is fantastic. It makes hunting down a ss easier but still not the point that anyone can do it with just a few button clicks. |
BobGhengisKhan
Dashavatara |
Posted - 2004.09.16 03:14:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/09/2004 03:31:50
Lame, kills my sole source of income in the game, if you can really just warp straight to them, special mods/ships or not. Details aren't final, maybe they just mean you can't hide your fleet details anymore?
Or youre not safe because people who know how to find safespots are more likely to notice your safespot since they no longer have to happen upon landing 15 AU from you? I hope that is what they mean. The hardest part about stealing a ship or ganking an AFK player thats at an f11 bookmark is just stumbling close enough to even know that they are there. No one has time to go 2000 AU out in every system they ever visit to look for people
To everyone saying it will be great if you need a special skill to do this with, I say player skills should be more important than in game, egg timer skills. |
NoHawker
Amarr |
Posted - 2004.09.16 03:39:00 - [ 25]
No their needs to be a better way. I need to be able to sneak in kill things, run away and hide. On the same note I would also like the ability to find others hiding. Balance is the keyword here... CCP good luck |
Jericho Ronin |
Posted - 2004.09.16 04:00:00 - [ 26]
First they said they weren't going to do this, now they say they are...I wish they would make up their minds.
This is a stupid idea, pure and simple. Retreat is a valid part of battle, this will no longer be an option. I don't have the energy to go into any more reasons. I find myself thinking the same thing about EVE that I have thought about other MMORPG's and that is "This used to be a really cool game before they mucked it up".
Why not just make a pinball game? Use flash and we can all load it into a web browser. There are so many other aspects of game design they should be working on. If this is truly something they are going to do, it's just sad. |
Malv |
Posted - 2004.09.16 06:40:00 - [ 27]
yay. engaging people is already is unncessary hard as it is. Combat should be encouraged as its one of the funner aspects of this game. Scanners encourage combat. |
Lurk
Gallente
The PAIN Syndicate |
Posted - 2004.09.16 07:46:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Malv
yay. engaging people is already is unncessary hard as it is. Combat should be encouraged as its one of the funner aspects of this game. Scanners encourage combat.
Scanners don't encourage combat, they encourage ganking. Removing ppl in space and ppl in local would encourage combat ... |
CCP Oveur
 |
Posted - 2004.09.16 09:08:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Nay, pressing a button and getting a readout on an entire solar system and everything in it trying to hide is g@y.
Work on an intelligent solution instead of these either or nerfs, you're computergame developers not conservative judges.
Why not let ganker corporations hold a vote from their docks whether or not my base should blow up and save them the bother?
Danton, usually I appreciate your opinion, but in this case, you should you could have used a bit more imagination instead of assuming that before posting. Take a look at ErrorS post, he's pretty close  Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Disclaimer; It's not you, it's me.
I won't argue with you on that |
MaiLina KaTar |
Posted - 2004.09.16 09:19:00 - [ 30]
Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 16/09/2004 09:21:31 Quote:
Take a look at ErrorS post, he's pretty close
OK now you got me Oveur... Does that mean that you will give CO-frigs special "scanner" modules that will allow them to deep scan systems and warp to stuff other ships couldn't even see on their scanners? That would truly be a good thing as that's exactly how I thought CO-frigs should've been like. I was so disappointed when I finally found out that the cloak is all these ships can do. Make CO-frigs real scout ships and you have my vote as DotY (Dev of the year) pal  |
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