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Strikeclone
Raata Fleet Command
Posted - 2009.06.11 22:17:00 - [31]
 

Respects to the honoured Caldari dead.

Its a shame that certain elements of fair weather Caldari feel they are elegiable to speak as if they were Caldari in anyway except for empty words.

I wish to add that I still mourn for needless loss of Caldari life at the hands of Caldari born but gallente spirted traitors.




Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.06.12 08:01:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Nicole Eisenfaust
I don't share your world view.


Fine, but I have my own. You don't have to like it, but don't you dare call me anything other than Caldari again. You look pretty pathetic in your high security Perkone safety net as you trip over your own feet in an attempt to throw ridiculous slander my way.

Originally by: Dex Nederland
Do you accept that you represent Caldari and thus have an impact (positive or negative is subjective) on the reputation and credibility of the Caldari race presently?


Yes, but the Guristas have been enemies of both the State and the Federation for a long time. The State only recently declared war on the Federation. However, it would be no different from accusing a Serpentis drug dealer of impacting Gallentean reputation, or an Angel pirate impacting... well, they include everyone, don't they?

Nicole Eisenfaust
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.06.12 09:20:00 - [33]
 

I'll say it as often as I like, as long as I believe it true. You are not Caldari anymore. Your personal attacks and veiled threats don't change my opinion, just confirm it.

Unless you'd like to better explain how an independent news report got it all wrong?



Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.06.12 09:32:00 - [34]
 

What you're referring to was a corporate dispute that ended up being quite violent. Newsflash, the megacorporations of the State have worse disputes between each other at times.

You clearly attacked my integrity and my heritage first, so I'll be going no further in this discussion. Readers will be able to judge for themselves who the fool is.

Nicole Eisenfaust
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.06.12 09:44:00 - [35]
 

You have no integrity. You turned your back on your heritage. That is my protest.


Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2009.06.12 14:11:00 - [36]
 

Ms. Eisenfaust:

That is not for you to say-- and you are wrong, in any case.

Sakoda-guri is, if anything, painfully attached to her origins. That can even be said of the Guristas in general: in the final accounting, the Guristas are a shadow cast by the State. A rogue megacorporation, even.

Deny your shadow all you wish. It will be there still, and just as attached.

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2009.06.12 18:20:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Sakoda-guri is, if anything, painfully attached to her origins. That can even be said of the Guristas in general: in the final accounting, the Guristas are a shadow cast by the State. A rogue megacorporation, even.

Deny your shadow all you wish. It will be there still, and just as attached.

And shadows are a reflection of the object in question, thus the Guristas are a reflection of the State. Sakoda-guri thus represents not only the Guristas, but the State [1] and the Caldari as a whole [2].

[1] She represents the Guristas, the Guristas are a reflection of the State and thus her actions and words are a reflected representation of the State.

[2] Understanding that my previous line of inquiry is a retraction of previous statements in which she stated she only reflects on the credibility and reputation of the Guristas and not the State or the Caldari race.

Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
the Guristas have been enemies of both the State and the Federation for a long time.

I disagree with the term "enemy"; parasitic relationships do not necessarily imply enemy. An enemy is someone you seek to destroy, tear down, and force to agree to your terms. I don't think your organization, the Guristas, wants to see the destruction of the State or Federation; it would mean your own end. The Guristas are not seeking agreeable terms on which to rejoin the State or any other government. No, you prey upon the State and the Federation, feed off their success and hurt when they fail.

Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
it would be no different from accusing a Serpentis drug dealer of impacting Gallentean reputation, or an Angel pirate impacting... well, they include everyone, don't they?

All criminal enterprises are a reflection of culture and society. Oddly enough, I have sympathy for the Serpentis corporation and ORE corporation; the Federation once again trying to protect everyone from themselves and trying to contain the power of corporate entities. What they were doing was made illegal to restrict their power. The Guristas chose illegal activities to pursue, then wouldn't the Guristas try and root out corruption and ineffiencies in their own ranks?

Jenneth-haan/-guri (not sure what applies now), is correct; the Guristas are a shadow/rogue corporation and have all the trappings of a megacorporation. It is their business plan that is disagreeable/unlawful - profit through death, theft, and corruption of others. I am not saying that the other megacorporations do not engage in these activites (corporate espionage, intercorporate wars, defense of assets, courting experts away from competitors), but it is not their business plan, means of making a profit (may be a means of increasing profit).

Now whether Veto operates in such a fashion, I do not know, the organization seems to protray itself as almost idealic.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.06.12 19:29:00 - [38]
 

Oh spew.

Can we stop commemorating the anniversary of every time a minor genocide occurs? You can set your watch by it, sometimes! Every couple weeks it seems, some solemn occasion pops up where people get an excuse to trip over each other trying to be poetic and profound and mournful, dropping prayers and assorted commemorative crap in cargo containers. What if that cargo container gets pulled into some poor sap's intakes, leading to the destruction of his ship and loss of thousands of crew? Gonna drop another cargo can with a prayer note in it to mark the site for future mourning?

God, let's mourn Malkalen, oh no, let's mourn Seyllin, oops, now it's time to mourn Caldari Prime. Do a bit of Mekhios mourning, mourn a bit for the elder fleet, that lost caravan, when will we be mourning something else? Who knows, it is a mystery!

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.06.12 22:14:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Oh spew.

Can we stop commemorating the anniversary of every time a minor genocide occurs? You can set your watch by it, sometimes! Every couple weeks it seems, some solemn occasion pops up where people get an excuse to trip over each other trying to be poetic and profound and mournful, dropping prayers and assorted commemorative crap in cargo containers. What if that cargo container gets pulled into some poor sap's intakes, leading to the destruction of his ship and loss of thousands of crew? Gonna drop another cargo can with a prayer note in it to mark the site for future mourning?

God, let's mourn Malkalen, oh no, let's mourn Seyllin, oops, now it's time to mourn Caldari Prime. Do a bit of Mekhios mourning, mourn a bit for the elder fleet, that lost caravan, when will we be mourning something else? Who knows, it is a mystery!


You know, I'm all for paying my respect for the dead if it's deserved.

I gotta admit Shogaatsu... your appearences on the IGS may like mine, be few and far between recently... but you make more and more sense every time you show your face.


Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2009.06.14 03:08:00 - [40]
 

Your trivializing the mourning over the destruction of a Race's homeworld, and then their later reclaimation of that world?

While I agree, not everything is a tragedy, I would hope that a homeworld would meet that standard.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.06.16 13:16:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Van Cleef
Your trivializing the mourning over the destruction of a Race's homeworld, and then their later reclaimation of that world?

While I agree, not everything is a tragedy, I would hope that a homeworld would meet that standard.

Oh, glory of glories! We reclaimed the polluted ice-ball that was once our ancestral home.

Just because we started there doesn't mean it's a good planet. We have better ones now. Besides, it's been infested with Gallente for so long that it doesn't even feel like home. We'd have to tear down a great deal of wobbly looking green plastic buildings, and put up a lot of non-descript angular gray ones with antennae and blinkers for it to feel like home, and that'll take forever.


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