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Heroldyn
Posted - 2009.06.09 08:16:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Heroldyn on 09/06/2009 09:38:04
Edited by: Heroldyn on 09/06/2009 09:37:38
In the last expansions ccp has gone through great lenghts and put great efforts into making this game look stunning and beutifull. Be it the overhauled models, or the new effects.

But for what ?

Because if you crank up graphics it doesnt look beutifull, it looks disturbed.

In before apocrypha, it was at least possible for some people to enable hdr+aa for the game through the program nhancer. Allready then many people rightfully complained that this functionality should be implemented into the game options.

now since apocrypha, even the enhancement through nhancer doesnt work anymore, and it is not possible to get a decent result from trying to enable hdr+aa in the game.

ccp as a company works close with the two major partys in graphics technology ati and nvidia, and it would not take alot of effort from them to call up a few people and finally get an antialias option implemented in the game options (respectivly one that will work well together with their hdr option).

it is technically possible for ccp to implement this. other game manufacturer have shown that indeed hdr and antialias can work well together and without any artifacts.

i herewith request from the csm to put this topic on discussion with ccp and get a definitive response.

if you want the beauty to look beautifull, then please support this proposal.


-
Heroldyn

[update]
i am now offering 1m isk to the first 100 supporters of this proposal. the isk will be sent to the character you supported the topic with within 24 hours from your support-reply (usually inbetween the timeframe from 19h to 22h gmt+1). i am guaranteing the isk until either:

a) 100 supporters are reached
b) the issue has been added to the csm's discussion list

in either case i will post a notification that there is no further isk being sent out.
[/update]

Heroldyn
Posted - 2009.06.09 10:23:00 - [2]
 

i support my proposal.

Jin Labarre
Posted - 2009.06.09 10:30:00 - [3]
 

Anti aliasing would be great, yes. Not highest priority among the visual things, but still.

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us

Posted - 2009.06.09 10:50:00 - [4]
 

Well now. I don't disagree with you, but I feel it's worth mentioning that you can enable AA via your graphics settings (unless you're running mac, but if that's the case: GET AWAY FROM ME!).

That being said, I don't do it myself, because some games don't react to well to having forced AA (yes, I also play other games), and I really can't be bothered changing it all the time. Not a major priority, but shouldn't be too hard to implement.

/Supported

Heroldyn
Posted - 2009.06.09 10:54:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Fille Balle
Well now. I don't disagree with you, but I feel it's worth mentioning that you can enable AA via your graphics settings


hi, yes you can force aa through the graphics driver or nhancer, but not AA+HDR.

this means, you can either have HDR or AA in eve currently.
post apocrypha, you could achieve hdr+aa through a specific setting in nhancer. this doesnt work since apo anymore.

the proposal is about having an ingame option for AA inside eve that allows for having AA together with HDR.

Herr Esiq
Amarr
Cube Zombie Consortium
Posted - 2009.06.09 11:16:00 - [6]
 

I support this idea. I've been trying for months to get both working at the same time on my ATI videocards. I've been forcing these changes though the ATI catalyst control center and it looked great. But unfortunately this resulted in a lot of unexpected shutdowns when playing EVE and almost the loss of a few ships. After restoring the settings in CCC everything seemed to work properly again.

Because of the nature of EVE things tend to happen at range in _space_ and AA+HDR would definately make things more awesome. Smile

Xenophanes Colophon
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:13:00 - [7]
 

Supported, I'd like to see my computing power not be wasted. Let our high end graphics cards do what they were made to do!

Naj Kire
Volition Cult
Posted - 2009.06.09 13:30:00 - [8]
 

I 110% support this thread. Give us AA + HDR...! So I can actually enjoy watching EVE on my 40" HD-TV

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.06.09 14:36:00 - [9]
 

In every other game I've played in... you could never do both HDR and AA.... I think OP is hallucinating.

Regardless... I would like to have AA... but I'm pretty damn sure OP is looking for a pot o gold that he will never find.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.06.09 15:35:00 - [10]
 

Not supported, it's working fine on ATI, just enable AA in the control panel and HDR in EVE.

Maybe start to poke nVidia about their driver support instead.

Heroldyn
Posted - 2009.06.09 16:02:00 - [11]
 

@drake:

maybe your graphics card doesnt support hdr, or you are only playing old games ?
there are many games that work with aa+hdr on nvidia cards.

@mashie:

not a driver issue. eve doesnt even have a checkbox to enable aa.
as said before, many games work well with aa+hdr enabled.


however, the purpose of this thread is to collect support for the issue
being presented by the csm. not to discuss the technical details.

Heroldyn
Posted - 2009.06.09 16:09:00 - [12]
 

the following characters have been paid their isk for participation asof Tuesday 9.Jun 09 18:08 (gmt+1):

Jin Labarre
Fille Balle
Herr Esiq
Xenophanes Colophon
Naj Kire
Drake Draconis


Zak Bryn
Caldari
Omicron Resource Technologies Limited
Posted - 2009.06.09 16:16:00 - [13]
 

Just about all cards less than 2 years old and more than £50 support this. There is no reason not to allow both AA and HDR at the same time. Just give a couple of checkboxes to enable/disable them....

Ferdio Ricotez
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.09 16:17:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Ferdio Ricotez on 09/06/2009 17:38:01
Edited by: Ferdio Ricotez on 09/06/2009 17:37:36
I would even have supported this without the 1m ISK. You know what, keep it, give it to the 101th supporter. It simply has really bothered me not to see any anti-alias. I want my screenshots to look like actual spaceships flying through space, not raggedly cut images pasted to a shiny background!

/signed by Ferdio Ricotez


EDIT: Oops, didn't see that checkbox. /Checked

Heroldyn
Posted - 2009.06.09 16:30:00 - [15]
 

just a quick reminder,

if you support this proposal, please make sure to check the checkbox that reads "Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on". this ensures that your voice is being easily recognized.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.06.09 17:10:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/06/2009 17:16:41
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/06/2009 17:12:22
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/06/2009 17:11:06
Originally by: Heroldyn
@drake:

maybe your graphics card doesnt support hdr, or you are only playing old games ?
there are many games that work with aa+hdr on nvidia cards.

@mashie:

not a driver issue. eve doesnt even have a checkbox to enable aa.
as said before, many games work well with aa+hdr enabled.


however, the purpose of this thread is to collect support for the issue
being presented by the csm. not to discuss the technical details.


Doesn't support? Your not that bright are you...

The only cards that could theoretically support this would be very new...

As for games... lets see.. um.. gee

Oblivion would be a damn good example of that.

Do your homework

<--- 2X Geforce 8800 DDR3 640 MB VRAM SLI'd

My Card's can do either or but on MOST games not both.

Heroldyn
Posted - 2009.06.09 17:21:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/06/2009 17:16:41
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/06/2009 17:12:22
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/06/2009 17:11:06
Originally by: Heroldyn
@drake:

maybe your graphics card doesnt support hdr, or you are only playing old games ?
there are many games that work with aa+hdr on nvidia cards.

@mashie:

not a driver issue. eve doesnt even have a checkbox to enable aa.
as said before, many games work well with aa+hdr enabled.


however, the purpose of this thread is to collect support for the issue
being presented by the csm. not to discuss the technical details.


Doesn't support? Your not that bright are you...

The only cards that could theoretically support this would be very new...

As for games... lets see.. um.. gee

Oblivion would be a damn good example of that.

Do your homework

<--- 2X Geforce 8800 DDR3 640 MB VRAM SLI'd

My Card's can do either or but on MOST games not both.


as said this thread is not for discussion. i know that this is supported by most
modern cards and many modern games aswell. if you have a different knowledge, thats
fine but please discuss it elsewhere.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.06.09 17:45:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Heroldyn

@mashie:

not a driver issue. eve doesnt even have a checkbox to enable aa.
as said before, many games work well with aa+hdr enabled.


however, the purpose of this thread is to collect support for the issue
being presented by the csm. not to discuss the technical details.

You see it isn't a CCP issue or this screenshot would have been impossible for me to just capture.

Sorry for being technical but the reason the nHancer hack worked was quite simple, it tricked the nVidia driver to think you played Oblivion and not EVE.

You are correct, there isn't a tickbox in EVE to select AA, however you can still force AA in the driver control panel which is how you do it on ATI cards. Now due to nVidia totally dropping the ball regarding driver support it still won't work for you as you obviously have noticed. That however isn't CCP's fault, ok maybe a little, as they don't appear to use the fairly good developer relations they have with nVidia to get it sorted.

I have not used nVidia since I sold my 8800GTX cards but have they fixed the bug so you can use AA (without HDR) in windowed mode yet? Back then it only worked in fullscreen. Rolling Eyes

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2009.06.09 18:07:00 - [19]
 

I'm not enough of a techie to say definitely that this is a good idea, but it sounds nice. One of these days I may even have a computer that can run two clients at more than minimum, and then I'll have to see just how pretty it gets.

Leila Duran
Posted - 2009.06.09 18:30:00 - [20]
 

/Áctually using my graphics card would be nice. Supported

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2009.06.09 18:57:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Herr Esiq
I support this idea. I've been trying for months to get both working at the same time on my ATI videocards. I've been forcing these changes though the ATI catalyst control center and it looked great. But unfortunately this resulted in a lot of unexpected shutdowns when playing EVE and almost the loss of a few ships. After restoring the settings in CCC everything seemed to work properly again.

Because of the nature of EVE things tend to happen at range in _space_ and AA+HDR would definately make things more awesome. Smile

I have the same problem. Also, currently forcing AA through Nhancer creates large number of artifacts.
To be honest, i was REALLY surprised when i found out that there is no antialising in options in eve, and i think that AA is a must for any respectable and graficaly advanced game currently, which eve is. Withought AA WE just loose alot of detail, and alot of work they've spent tweaking and creating new effect is waisted because it cannot even be seen in full grateness due to lack of AA.

Jigoku Shiya
Posted - 2009.06.09 20:57:00 - [22]
 

Do want Anti-Aliasing.

Slave 2739FKZ
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.06.09 21:03:00 - [23]
 


Jared Knight
Posted - 2009.06.09 21:06:00 - [24]
 

Sounds like a good idea - good luck! I'm all for it!

Heroldyn
Posted - 2009.06.09 21:10:00 - [25]
 

the following characters have been paid their isk for participation asof Tuesday 9.Jun 09 23:08 (gmt+1):

Zak Bryn
Herschel Yamamoto
Leila Duran
Maxsim Goratiev
Jigoku Shiya
Slave 2739FKZ
Jared Knight

the isk for Ferdio Ricotez has been hold back for the 101th supporter or the last supporter in before the proposal is picked up by the csm, as requested by ferdio.

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
Posted - 2009.06.09 21:59:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Fille Balle on 09/06/2009 22:03:26
Originally by: Heroldyn
@mashie:

not a driver issue. eve doesnt even have a checkbox to enable aa.

however, the purpose of this thread is to collect support for the issue
being presented by the csm. not to discuss the technical details.


That's my point as well. All though you might be able run AA (not sure about HDR) on games without the menu checkbox, it doesn't mean that it works very well.

Basically, what I want, is native support for AA (HDR appears to be supported already, and as I'm running EVE's max settings, I probably have it enabled), as games have a tendancy to crash when using forced AA (don't need HDR on top of it for it to crash).

If anybody knows a fix for this (not just for EVE, I have forced AA turned off because I play other games as well. haven't tried it with eve, but I'm also not too enthusiastic about changing it everytime I want to play something else), then by all means. If not, I think we deserved native AA.

/Rant

Originally by: Mashie Saldana


You see it isn't a CCP issue or this screenshot would have been impossible for me to just capture.

Sorry for being technical but the reason the nHancer hack worked was quite simple, it tricked the nVidia driver to think you played Oblivion and not EVE.

You are correct, there isn't a tickbox in EVE to select AA, however you can still force AA in the driver control panel which is how you do it on ATI cards. Now due to nVidia totally dropping the ball regarding driver support it still won't work for you as you obviously have noticed. That however isn't CCP's fault, ok maybe a little, as they don't appear to use the fairly good developer relations they have with nVidia to get it sorted.

I have not used nVidia since I sold my 8800GTX cards but have they fixed the bug so you can use AA (without HDR) in windowed mode yet? Back then it only worked in fullscreen.


Yes, you managed to get it running, but is it stable? How long have you had it running? That's my point, if it's not native, you need to mess around to get it working stable, and then some other games/apps might not be working anymore.

It's not really a fix. It's a workaround.

Agent Known
Posted - 2009.06.09 22:11:00 - [27]
 

I fully support this product and/or service.

shi'ako
Posted - 2009.06.09 22:18:00 - [28]
 


ToTheCore
Dreddit

Posted - 2009.06.10 04:57:00 - [29]
 

Native AA support please

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2009.06.10 09:52:00 - [30]
 

even if there are ways to force it on, uer shoould not have to go though different AA modes and esveral programs, because many PC users don't even know what AA realy is, so many peope cannot experience it, there is only a handfull of people that know the tecnical side of it well enought to tweak and setud AA with HDR as it is. I managed to make it stable with trying out different AA modes and enhancer setting, but i still recieve alot of artifacts.
What the majority needs is a AA option in menu.


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