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Faekurias
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns |
Posted - 2009.06.03 21:10:00 - [ 241]
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.06.03 21:13:00 - [ 242]
 Originally by: Talon Scorpio
Moot claim. The hard part was done for you by Haarg. Breaking sov would have been impossible otherwise. Clear out sov 4 instantaneously in any region and all that's left is scavenging the remains.
So basically what we have here is one person who pushed a button at the behest of a man with a great deal of character but no morality, and a horde of scavengers who swamed in and gobbled everything up in a land grab.
That is an achievement. I understand now. Thank you.
Hey remember when a disgruntled Goon director dropped sov in DG-, and you swept in and took sov and took the system... oh wait.. you failed miserably. Because with all sov gone we still pushed you out of the system. Just like you failed miserably in everything in the south. And R2tj When we successfully defended the system and lost sov anyway, yet still held together despite our jump link getting cut (and still not losing the system 4 weeks later) Here's the deal. Haarg dropped everything in Delve to the same point it had been all the time before scaled sov was introduced. It was basically sov 1, which was the way it had been for 3 years. You had your infrastructure in place with all the accumulated wealth of 5 years of exploits sitting right there waiting to be used. We had to move the infrastructure of an entire alliance, set it up, drop towers in systems where you already had towers claiming (which means you all knew about it the moment we dropped every tower), protect our convoys all the way from fyeth through hostile territory AND start fighting you from day one ALL AT THE SAME TIME. I had to go though 4 dangerous convoys to get my stuff down, and I still have stuff left behind up there. Haarg Leveled the playing field to uneven. If you had put up any kind of fight we would have been fighting to push you outside the w6- constellation when your sov 3 kicked in. Your resistance collapsed after 3 days. (Example, The Last fight for J-L had a total of ONE BOB member in the enemy fleet, Tholarim. The rest was your pets) You fled to NPC space after a week and a half and then you sat there claiming you really had nothing there while we burned Delve to the ground. You lost Delve because you are pathetic, and didn't deserve to hold it and probably never did. But hey. Thanks for admitting you will never get delve back because "Breaking sov would have been impossible otherwise" Just like it was impossible to break Sov 4 in Period basis a few weeks ago with your alliance defending it. You are pathetic. Here's a hanky. Now if you don't mind, I'm off to shoot some towers. Come out and stop me. |
RevrendStyx
Caldari
Warhouse 13
|
Posted - 2009.06.03 21:15:00 - [ 243]
Originally by: Heathkit
Originally by: RevrendStyx
You guys said you've taken 100's of systems in delve/querious right. Could you defend 100's of systems while being pushed on by PL,MM,RZR and whomever else I forgot.
I would propose that with a sufficiently large force imbalance, no alliance could hold a given piece of space, no matter how "skilled". That's why diplomacy, espionage, and leadership are such important parts of the game. If you're in a situation like that where you're horribly outnumbered, you've already screwed up something.
The game is every bit as much about rallying folks under your banner, and motivating them to keep fighting. That's the real level at which these wars are won and lost. In the end, it comes down to which leadership team inspires and organizes the most people.
So getting your alliance/corp to nap as many people as possible is how you win eve? Amirite |
Vladic Ka
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2009.06.03 21:24:00 - [ 244]
Originally by: RevrendStyx
So getting your alliance/corp to nap as many people as possible is how you win eve? Amirite
Maximum damage? |
Reapeat Offender
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.06.03 21:29:00 - [ 245]
Originally by: RevrendStyx
Originally by: Heathkit
Originally by: RevrendStyx
You guys said you've taken 100's of systems in delve/querious right. Could you defend 100's of systems while being pushed on by PL,MM,RZR and whomever else I forgot.
I would propose that with a sufficiently large force imbalance, no alliance could hold a given piece of space, no matter how "skilled". That's why diplomacy, espionage, and leadership are such important parts of the game. If you're in a situation like that where you're horribly outnumbered, you've already screwed up something.
The game is every bit as much about rallying folks under your banner, and motivating them to keep fighting. That's the real level at which these wars are won and lost. In the end, it comes down to which leadership team inspires and organizes the most people.
So getting your alliance/corp to nap as many people as possible is how you win eve? Amirite
You mean like the 19 alliances that showed up to help Kenny take 49-u a few months ago? Yeah, you are right. |
Venomire
Amarr
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO |
Posted - 2009.06.03 21:30:00 - [ 246]
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
and that herd of guys who all have about the same name. disconcerting amount of drakes all gathered on one gate and the only ones who bothered to even shoot at me. not bad for a bunch of macros.
Zhek 12 boxes EVE. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0906/zhek.jpgOr, rather, 6 PCs w/ 2 instances of EVE on each PC. Originally by: Zhek via gf.com
i use synergy to mirror mouse actions to all 6 computers and there are 2 clients on each machine so i can control 6 at a time so i only have to do everything twice to make it work on all 12
doesn't work all the time so you have to turn off mirroring and manually do **** then, but you only ever have to use one mouse.
So, yeah. Not a macro. I could make a joke here about your ability to identify macros is on par with your PVP ability but I think I'll leave you alone. |
Kalie Erry
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.06.03 21:36:00 - [ 247]
Originally by: RevrendStyx
So getting your alliance/corp to nap as many people as possible is how you win eve? Amirite
We can't help it that so many people wish to see Band of KenZoku die permanently. |
Heathkit
Minmatar
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.06.03 21:46:00 - [ 248]
Originally by: RevrendStyx
So getting your alliance/corp to nap as many people as possible is how you win eve? Amirite
Yeah, pretty much. There's always a pressure on such arrangements to break down, since people really want to shoot each other and not POS all day - it is a game after all. Of course, it's not just NAPing people, it's also getting them to fight with you, and keep being active. A large group of allies is a powerful force. It can be hard to hold together, as you guys are seeing right now with the loss of S-W and EXE in Querious. But, if you can inspire a large group of people to fight consistently and hard on your side, you have, in fact, "won EVE". |
OninoTimmo
Minmatar
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2009.06.03 21:58:00 - [ 249]
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
Edited by: Talon Scorpio on 03/06/2009 17:44:14
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Haargoth presses the button heard around the galaxy, as hitting it apparently creates a shockwave that destroys two titans, baby supercapitals, 500+ large control towers, and dozens of capitals.
It's all sophistry Zell, and you know it. Anyone in this game that has two brain cells to rub together knows it. There was no way any of you could have plowed into Delve the way you did if Haarg hadn't done an e tu Brute.
It simply wasn't possible for us to stand a reasonable chance of defending so many suddenly vulnerable systems at once.
So here we are. We have lost land and name and a great deal of prestige in the eyes of many. Certainly you can mock us, you have and you will continue to. Lolcat will gather as much attention around him for as long as his 15 minutes of fame lasts and he will lala and ~~~~ to a charicaturish degree for as long as he likes.
In return, I can say because it is a fact: As long a any of us stand here and defy you, you will never feel you have "won". You will cry about it on the forums for years to come, because we will be here just as long as you are probably. As long as there is one of us left standing and looking at you, as long as one of us gets in a ship and comes after you. However successful, however unsuccessful. We are here. We are BoB. Always. It doesnt really matter what you call us at this point, we are still BoB.
There is not a dam thing you can do about who we are.
Not really.
this is the best post itt |
The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.06.03 22:05:00 - [ 250]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 03/06/2009 20:46:20
So right now the Kenny party line is something to the effect of:
"You didn't beat us, we fled."
Which would be a great comeback if we were playing tag or hide-and-go-seek or something but as it is they're doing a pretty poor job of spin.
this is the same thing they said when they 'abandoned' eso, feyth and paragon soul one day before our massive coalition spam attack of those regions~ |
RevrendStyx
Caldari
Warhouse 13
|
Posted - 2009.06.03 22:18:00 - [ 251]
Originally by: Reapeat Offender
Originally by: RevrendStyx
Originally by: Heathkit
Originally by: RevrendStyx
You guys said you've taken 100's of systems in delve/querious right. Could you defend 100's of systems while being pushed on by PL,MM,RZR and whomever else I forgot.
I would propose that with a sufficiently large force imbalance, no alliance could hold a given piece of space, no matter how "skilled". That's why diplomacy, espionage, and leadership are such important parts of the game. If you're in a situation like that where you're horribly outnumbered, you've already screwed up something.
The game is every bit as much about rallying folks under your banner, and motivating them to keep fighting. That's the real level at which these wars are won and lost. In the end, it comes down to which leadership team inspires and organizes the most people.
So getting your alliance/corp to nap as many people as possible is how you win eve? Amirite
You mean like the 19 alliances that showed up to help Kenny take 49-u a few months ago? Yeah, you are right.
You'll notice I said people not alliances...but we should all get off of the dumb topic of who's napped to who. The conversation isn't worth any of our time.  |
Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2009.06.03 22:23:00 - [ 252]
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Heathkit
Minmatar
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.06.03 22:25:00 - [ 253]
Originally by: RevrendStyx
You'll notice I said people not alliances...but we should all get off of the dumb topic of who's napped to who. The conversation isn't worth any of our time.
I completely agree. The whole "ooo you napped more guys" argument is silly. The number of alliances you've got on your side doesn't really indicate how many people they can field, or how effectively. You could outnumber the enemy 2:1, but if your logistics aren't well organized, it doesn't matter anyway. And if you do get more people on your side, and get them to log in, and coordinate their efforts, well then good for you. That's how you win the game. |
Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2009.06.03 22:33:00 - [ 254]
Originally by: RevrendStyx
Could you defend 100's of systems while being pushed on by PL,MM,RZR and whomever else I forgot.
Come to think of it, in the fight to take and defend XZH, goons flying mostly rifters and t1 cruisers inflicted heavier cap losses on D2, YouWhat, and the rest of the north than Kenny managed to inflict before fleeing Delve. We held out longer too. |
Devian 666
Gallente
Transmetropolitan
|
Posted - 2009.06.03 22:38:00 - [ 255]
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Khornne
Caldari
BRUTAL GENESIS
|
Posted - 2009.06.03 22:55:00 - [ 256]
Originally by: Devian 666
Stupid goons should pack up and head to high sec because you are obviously losing.
Yawn, nearly as "funny" as the first 20000 times someone posted that... |
FGxHalsey
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:00:00 - [ 257]
[Hurf] Serious Post Follows:
Kezoku, right now, is no longer an independent space holding alliance and they aren't going to win the war because they've already lost it. What you are seeing now is Goonswarm and allies consolidating space and clearing out the few remaining holdouts.
-A- is fighting a proxy war in Querious, coming in only to prop up the remenants of Kenzoku because for some reason they think Goonswarm will move on to Catch or something equally ridiculous. In an ironic twist of fate, Kenzoku is completely dependent on -A- who aren't interested in showing up to help just as the Kenny pets are completely dependent on Kenzoku and Kenzoku aren't interested in showing up to help.
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FGxHalsey
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:05:00 - [ 258]
In another funny twist of fate, ATLAS has become a better alliance with more stations and space than Kenzoku |
Devian 666
Gallente
Transmetropolitan
|
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:06:00 - [ 259]
Originally by: Khornne
Originally by: Devian 666
Stupid goons should pack up and head to high sec because you are obviously losing.
Yawn, nearly as "funny" as the first 20000 times someone posted that...
Yet it upsets you enough to log into the forums and post about it. I'll remember to contact you the next time I need an opinion on what is "funny". |
Faekurias
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:09:00 - [ 260]
Originally by: FGxHalsey
In another funny twist of fate, ATLAS has become a better alliance with more stations and space than Kenzoku
You could never take Ătlas alone ~~~~~~ |
Will Hunter
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:10:00 - [ 261]
Originally by: Faekurias
Originally by: FGxHalsey
In another funny twist of fate, ATLAS has become a better alliance with more stations and space than Kenzoku
You could never take Ătlas alone ~~~~~~
he is not trolling yo |
Himo Amasacia
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:14:00 - [ 262]
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
It simply wasn't possible for us to stand a reasonable chance of defending so many suddenly vulnerable systems at once.
Didn;t see this bit. You see it makes sense if you have amnesia and forget we only initially attacked 3 systems in one constellation. BOB resistance collapsed after getting murdered repeatedly, and it was only THEN we thought "Hey this is going well" and THEN started spreading out to other constellations, after you so valiantly failed to defend 3 systems. You fled to PR-... and you "Failed to defend" one single system for a solid month. vOv |
Zippernaut
Gallente
Sigma Holding Corp
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:17:00 - [ 263]
let me know when Atlas invades querious so i can haul my crap to empire, k? |
Itzena
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:21:00 - [ 264]
Aside from anything else, it's a pretty bad sign when Kenny's PR is being spun by someone who skulked away from the wreckage of RISE after they imploded rather than an actual, genuine former-BoB person.
...on the other hand, if you take the 'defense' of the RIT triangle as a herald of the 'defense' of Delve, it does make a twisted sort of sense. |
Moctobot
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:21:00 - [ 265]
can someone from rkz explain this cognitive disconnect:
'it would have been impossible to take all of delve if the sovereignty levels were not reset'
'we will take delve back'
i dont get how one person is capable of believing both things |
Tobruk
Caldari
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:22:00 - [ 266]
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
Moot claim. The hard part was done for you by Haarg. Breaking sov would have been impossible otherwise. Clear out sov 4 instantaneously in any region and all that's left is scavenging the remains.
So basically what we have here is one person who pushed a button at the behest of a man with a great deal of character but no morality, and a horde of scavengers who swamed in and gobbled everything up in a land grab.
That is an achievement. I understand now. Thank you.
Hey remember when a disgruntled Goon director dropped sov in DG-, and you swept in and took sov and took the system... oh wait.. you failed miserably. Because with all sov gone we still pushed you out of the system. Just like you failed miserably in everything in the south. And R2tj When we successfully defended the system and lost sov anyway, yet still held together despite our jump link getting cut (and still not losing the system 4 weeks later)
Here's the deal. Haarg dropped everything in Delve to the same point it had been all the time before scaled sov was introduced. It was basically sov 1, which was the way it had been for 3 years. You had your infrastructure in place with all the accumulated wealth of 5 years of exploits sitting right there waiting to be used. We had to move the infrastructure of an entire alliance, set it up, drop towers in systems where you already had towers claiming (which means you all knew about it the moment we dropped every tower), protect our convoys all the way from fyeth through hostile territory AND start fighting you from day one ALL AT THE SAME TIME. I had to go though 4 dangerous convoys to get my stuff down, and I still have stuff left behind up there.
Haarg Leveled the playing field to uneven.
If you had put up any kind of fight we would have been fighting to push you outside the w6- constellation when your sov 3 kicked in. Your resistance collapsed after 3 days. (Example, The Last fight for J-L had a total of ONE BOB member in the enemy fleet, Tholarim. The rest was your pets) You fled to NPC space after a week and a half and then you sat there claiming you really had nothing there while we burned Delve to the ground.
You lost Delve because you are pathetic, and didn't deserve to hold it and probably never did.
But hey. Thanks for admitting you will never get delve back because "Breaking sov would have been impossible otherwise" Just like it was impossible to break Sov 4 in Period basis a few weeks ago with your alliance defending it.
You are pathetic. Here's a hanky. Now if you don't mind, I'm off to shoot some towers. Come out and stop me.
Very well said. It wasnt Haargoth that kicked you out of delve, it was goons. quite an amazing twist of fate. |
Khornne
Caldari
BRUTAL GENESIS
|
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:24:00 - [ 267]
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Carbine Toth
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:30:00 - [ 268]
Originally by: Moctobot
can someone from rkz explain this cognitive disconnect:
'it would have been impossible to take all of delve if the sovereignty levels were not reset'
'we will take delve back'
i dont get how one person is capable of believing both things
At one point, the sovereignty levels were Goonswarm (1). That would have been a good point to "take Delve back". But what do I know. |
Devian 666
Gallente
Transmetropolitan
|
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:52:00 - [ 269]
Originally by: Carbine Toth
Originally by: Moctobot
can someone from rkz explain this cognitive disconnect:
'it would have been impossible to take all of delve if the sovereignty levels were not reset'
'we will take delve back'
i dont get how one person is capable of believing both things
At one point, the sovereignty levels were Goonswarm (1). That would have been a good point to "take Delve back". But what do I know.
For some reason all of barbie believe: running level 4s in high sec means you will gain sov in Delve after six months. To be this disassociated from game mechanics is very unusual. |
RevrendStyx
Caldari
Warhouse 13
|
Posted - 2009.06.04 00:05:00 - [ 270]
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
It simply wasn't possible for us to stand a reasonable chance of defending so many suddenly vulnerable systems at once.
Didn;t see this bit. You see it makes sense if you have amnesia and forget we only initially attacked 3 systems in one constellation. BOB resistance collapsed after getting murdered repeatedly, and it was only THEN we thought "Hey this is going well" and THEN started spreading out to other constellations, after you so valiantly failed to defend 3 systems. You fled to PR-... and you "Failed to defend" one single system for a solid month. vOv
Weeks before the reset gs had been dropping sov in their home regions. I'm sure the higher ups knew the reset was coming and decided to go for all or nothing. If you guys didn't plan on taking all of delve from the start then why leave the 4 to 5 regions to whomever wanted them? |
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