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Mordou
Mordou Manufacturing and Trade
Posted - 2009.05.28 00:04:00 - [1]
 

Basically I am looking for a solo lowsec Arbitrator fitting that preferably caries a rep. The fit I came up with was:

[Arbitrator, Yarbitrator]
Medium Armor Repairer I
Damage Control I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I

Warp Disruptor I
Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25
Tracking Disruptor I
10MN Afterburner I

Medium Energy Neutralizer I
Small Energy Neutralizer I
Medium Nosferatu I
[empty high slot]

Hammerhead I x10
Warrior I x10
ECM drones perhaps?

It's all tech one just for the sake of cheapness and example, any other ideas as to how to improve the fit? Or another one entirely?

Mortis Tyrathlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.05.28 00:13:00 - [2]
 

Swap an EANM for a 1600mm plate, probably drop the MAR to a SAR, switch the booster to a web and get a rack of small nos and neuts. And yes, get a rack of EC-600s on there.

The Arbitrator is a cruel, cruel cruiser and IMO possibly the best T1 PvP cruiser, but like all T1 cruisers it suffers from fragility. Buffer it to hell, get up close, neut them to death and let drones do the rest. I'd also consider a MWD instead of AB, but it could work either way.

Commander Yassir
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2009.05.28 00:21:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Mortis Tyrathlion
Swap an EANM for a 1600mm plate, probably drop the MAR to a SAR, switch the booster to a web and get a rack of small nos and neuts. And yes, get a rack of EC-600s on there.

The Arbitrator is a cruel, cruel cruiser and IMO possibly the best T1 PvP cruiser, but like all T1 cruisers it suffers from fragility. Buffer it to hell, get up close, neut them to death and let drones do the rest. I'd also consider a MWD instead of AB, but it could work either way.


Hmmm... everyone always fits buffers, is that always better then a repper? Also, would small nuets/Nos make much of a dent in anyones cap?

Mordou
Mordou Manufacturing and Trade
Posted - 2009.05.28 00:22:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Mortis Tyrathlion
Swap an EANM for a 1600mm plate, probably drop the MAR to a SAR, switch the booster to a web and get a rack of small nos and neuts. And yes, get a rack of EC-600s on there.

The Arbitrator is a cruel, cruel cruiser and IMO possibly the best T1 PvP cruiser, but like all T1 cruisers it suffers from fragility. Buffer it to hell, get up close, neut them to death and let drones do the rest. I'd also consider a MWD instead of AB, but it could work either way.


Do EC-600's work well? Also, would I have enough cap with that setup?

Mortis Tyrathlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.05.28 00:27:00 - [5]
 

You'd be surprised. A single small neut can cap out a frigate in just two or three cycles. A rack of four won't exactly be on the level of a Curse or Pilgrim, but it'll gut a blaster/laser dependent ship in fairly short order. I've nearly lost a Deimos to a neut-Arby on Sisi simply because my guns stopped firing. Things like the Rupture are a different matter, of course, but if nothing else, getting them neuted heavily enough will take any points off you so that you can get the hell out of dodge...

And for almost any circumstance you care to name, yes, a buffer fit will beat a rep fit at cruiser level; or indeed, almost any level (frigates notwithstanding) these days.

Mortis Tyrathlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.05.28 00:29:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Mordou
Originally by: Mortis Tyrathlion
Swap an EANM for a 1600mm plate, probably drop the MAR to a SAR, switch the booster to a web and get a rack of small nos and neuts. And yes, get a rack of EC-600s on there.

The Arbitrator is a cruel, cruel cruiser and IMO possibly the best T1 PvP cruiser, but like all T1 cruisers it suffers from fragility. Buffer it to hell, get up close, neut them to death and let drones do the rest. I'd also consider a MWD instead of AB, but it could work either way.


Do EC-600's work well? Also, would I have enough cap with that setup?


EC-600s are incredibly frustrating to fight. They won't permajam an enemy, but with 5 of them active, you'll get a fair number of 20s time periods where they can do nothing to you. Since the Arby is a drone boat, they'll be something of a gang tool or a last resort for escaping, but they're worth having.

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.05.28 06:01:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mordou


Do EC-600's work well? Also, would I have enough cap with that setup?


They work really well, but mainly in the Arbitrator they serve as your GTFO option.

Yon Krum
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.05.28 08:50:00 - [8]
 

It's also handy to mount a pair of small, T2 pulse lasers on the Arbie, to deal with enemy drones or do some damage while in their face with ECM drones running. You still have room for a medium and small neut as well, but would want to carry larger cap booster charges.

Generally the Arbie will fit differently depending on what you expect to engage/do with it. It also makes a nice tackling boat if you're willing to sacrifice tank.

--Krum

Mordou
Mordou Manufacturing and Trade
Posted - 2009.05.28 15:29:00 - [9]
 

Hmmm looking at some of the suggestions I dropped the two adaptives for two 800mmm plates, I could fit a 1600, but two 800's gives me the ability to cram in a medium cap booster, which, running 400's will permarun everything easily with one nuet switched out, I swapped out the meduim nuets for a rack of 3 small nuets and one small vamp, and I dropped the meduim AR down to a small giving me the fitting of:
[Arbitrator, Yarbitrator Mk. II]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Small Armor Repairer I
Damage Control I
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

10MN Afterburner I
Tracking Disruptor I
Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor I

Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Nosferatu I

Hammerhead I x5
Warrior I x5
Vespa EC-600 x6
Hammerhead I x1
Hobgoblin I x1


Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2009.05.28 16:37:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Mordou
[Arbitrator, Yarbitrator Mk. II]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Small Armor Repairer I
Damage Control I
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

10MN Afterburner I
Tracking Disruptor I
Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor I

Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Nosferatu I

Hammerhead I x5
Warrior I x5
Vespa EC-600 x6
Hammerhead I x1
Hobgoblin I x1

My first thought looking at that is that you don't have any tackle to speak of, and more importantly you're fitting an AB + disruptor combo. If you're going to fit an afterburner, you more or less need to fit a scrambler in order to remove any speed advantage that MWD users would have. Without it, anyone you point that has a MWD fitted (which will be the majority of ships, I expect) will simply be able to burn out of your range, and warp off at their leisure, unless you're able to kill them quickly before they can do this. And the <200 DPS you'll do with drones isn't going to do this.

Arbi works really nicely when you can cripple the enemy's ability to tank and hit you back, and just wait for the drones to do the work. Your fitting looks a lot like a T1 version of a Pilgrim (sans cloak) in that respect, except without the neut bonuses it can't cap out cruiser-sized ships anywhere near as fast. Again, with an AB and no scram you'll not be able to keep the enemy in neut range anyway.

Lows look OK-ish, though trading 100MW powergrid for the extra resists from an EANM is a pretty good deal. You shouldn't really need the cap booster since you don't have any particularly hungry mods (passive tank + passive damage + small neut to keep tackle & TD running means you can go crazy with the neuts), and if you're out of cap from running the neuts, the other guy will have had even more cap drained.

For the mids I'd personally feel much better with MWD, scram, web and TD - this should really pin them in place and while you might find it harder to catch targets with a ~10km point range rather than ~25km, the ones you do get will almost certainly have to stay and fight. With a disruptor + single web, anything that also has a web and is faster than you will be able to disengage, so you'd only reliably be able to tackle BC and up ships (and even then, if they have a cap booster they can run their MWD constantly forcing you to run yours and you'll probably cap out before you kill them, letting them escape).

If you're sure you can land on top of the enemy, an AB could work (which is why it's often seen on a Pilgrim), but otherwise it's a bit of a gamble since it will take you even longer to get into point range against targets that want to run, and MWDing cruisers/BCs that react quickly enough can just hold you at 15km forever and engage you without being pointed themselves. If you can pull it off, the lower cap use and higher cap regen would be quite nice for running the neuts though.

Mordou
Mordou Manufacturing and Trade
Posted - 2009.05.28 18:58:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: Mordou
[Arbitrator, Yarbitrator Mk. II]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Small Armor Repairer I
Damage Control I
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

10MN Afterburner I
Tracking Disruptor I
Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor I

Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Nosferatu I

Hammerhead I x5
Warrior I x5
Vespa EC-600 x6
Hammerhead I x1
Hobgoblin I x1

My first thought looking at that is that you don't have any tackle to speak of, and more importantly you're fitting an AB + disruptor combo. If you're going to fit an afterburner, you more or less need to fit a scrambler in order to remove any speed advantage that MWD users would have. Without it, anyone you point that has a MWD fitted (which will be the majority of ships, I expect) will simply be able to burn out of your range, and warp off at their leisure, unless you're able to kill them quickly before they can do this. And the <200 DPS you'll do with drones isn't going to do this.

Arbi works really nicely when you can cripple the enemy's ability to tank and hit you back, and just wait for the drones to do the work. Your fitting looks a lot like a T1 version of a Pilgrim (sans cloak) in that respect, except without the neut bonuses it can't cap out cruiser-sized ships anywhere near as fast. Again, with an AB and no scram you'll not be able to keep the enemy in neut range anyway.

Lows look OK-ish, though trading 100MW powergrid for the extra resists from an EANM is a pretty good deal. You shouldn't really need the cap booster since you don't have any particularly hungry mods (passive tank + passive damage + small neut to keep tackle & TD running means you can go crazy with the neuts), and if you're out of cap from running the neuts, the other guy will have had even more cap drained.

For the mids I'd personally feel much better with MWD, scram, web and TD - this should really pin them in place and while you might find it harder to catch targets with a ~10km point range rather than ~25km, the ones you do get will almost certainly have to stay and fight. With a disruptor + single web, anything that also has a web and is faster than you will be able to disengage, so you'd only reliably be able to tackle BC and up ships (and even then, if they have a cap booster they can run their MWD constantly forcing you to run yours and you'll probably cap out before you kill them, letting them escape).

If you're sure you can land on top of the enemy, an AB could work (which is why it's often seen on a Pilgrim), but otherwise it's a bit of a gamble since it will take you even longer to get into point range against targets that want to run, and MWDing cruisers/BCs that react quickly enough can just hold you at 15km forever and engage you without being pointed themselves. If you can pull it off, the lower cap use and higher cap regen would be quite nice for running the neuts though.

Looking at this, I think maybe just drop the AB for a MWD (I still have the grid) and go with a scram rather then a disruptor, would that work?


 

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