Posted - 2009.05.25 02:28:00 - [3]

 

Originally by: Gieron

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I haven't really understood the POS refining stuff either. From what I've heard it does take skills into account but then caps the output to 75% anyway.

The bottom line though is that POS refineries for ore is not recommended. For ice they work fine though.

I don't know why that calculator lets you change the 37.5 figure. Because as the name implies it is a constant. And the constant is 37.5% regardless of who you are, where you are or what you are refining. It never changes.

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Thanks for the reply, Can anyone 100% confirm this? Dont want to waste my ore if it doesnt give the best yield!

Posted - 2009.07.03 08:05:00 - [5]

 

I think skills there not work,I have Small Refining becose we small corp and have Small Tower. After refine minerals With it -lose 2/3 since ratio 0,35. So, if i refine in station 200 arkonor= Tr.-284,Meg.-315, Zid.-157. In Small Ref. Ar.= Tr.-183,Meg.-115,Zyd.-57.Other POS refining Arr. have ratio 0.75.All skils-5.I think this not right.

Posted - 2009.07.19 23:43:00 - [7]

 

Stations actually take in to account of skills but don't include (they're calculated just not listed) the processing specialities for specific ore so it's possible to get the full amount of the minerals ONLY if you have a standing of 7.something or other I believe with the corp you're doing the refining at, otherwise you'll lose from the mineral tax.

Posted - 2009.07.20 06:02:00 - [9]

 

The claim that Intensive Refining Arrays have a "50% base refine" is completely bogus, despite it being repeated again and again on these forums. You can verify rather quickly for yourself (as I did last month, on Tranquility) that it doesn't work that way.

A station with 50% base gives a total refining yield of 50% + 37.5% * skills, capped at 100%.
An Intensive Refining Array gives 56.25% * skills, capped at 75%. In that sense you could consider it a "0% base" but the base number isn't the only constant that matters.

I'm not sure exactly why CCP chose to implement it this way, but it does at least have the nice property that it takes exactly the same amount of skill (or implants) to reach perfect 75% refine at a POS array as you'd need to reach 100% refine at a 50%-base station. However, any deviation from perfection hurts 50% more at the POS: for example, if you've got Refining V and Refinery Efficiency IV but haven't skilled up on high end ores, you'll get 97.85% at a good station (losing 2.15% because of insufficient skill), but only 71.78% with an Intensive Refining Array (losing 3.22% because of insufficient skill, in addition to the unavoidable 25%).

Please help spread the word; it is disappointing to see how freely misinformation about the refining arrays gets repeated by those who haven't obviously haven't tested the arrays in game. The charitable interpretation would be that these "experts" already have perfect refining skills so have no other data points to go by.