| Author |
Topic |
ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless. |
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:31:00 - [ 31]
 Originally by: Poreuomai
That's not true, many EVE professions don't have dedicated ships.
which is why i propose the bellicose has it's TP bonus changed to a font-size bonus when posting on CAOD. |
Lonzo Kincaid
Black Bands
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:31:00 - [ 32]
Originally by: Jita Security
Every other profession has more then one class of ship absolutely dedicated to their goals APART FROM TRADERS.
Industrial ships, transport ships, freighters, jump freighters, Orcas. you're just going silly. |
mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS. |
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:32:00 - [ 33]
bad troll |
Jita Security |
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:37:00 - [ 34]
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:40:18
Just a little background for all you lame flamers and trolls:
IRL I am a successful day trader (not blowing my own horn here but I make 7 figure sums in USD a quater).
I own my own brokerage firm and mainly deal with stocks relating to ship builders and other naval industries. I KNOW what I am talking about, I KNOW all about the basic and advanced concepts behind trading and I KNOW for a fact that trading in this game is 100% broken.
IRL we have all sorts of laws and independant bodies to monitor and control the market which is why the world economy is as stable and realiable as it is. However being devoid of these safe guards in EVE it seems to have allowed about 10-12 people to control the ENTIRE market and make it dance to their whims. The only one of which I have been able to identify is the self-styled "Queen of Scams" Delphi Grendalus.
My solutions would not only free the market from the clutches of these shadowy 12 figures (lets just call them, MJ-12 or Market Judicators-12) but also allow it to slip and flow organically. It should be plainly obvious to everyone that everything being controlled in this way puts way too much power into the hands of only a few and is bad for the game, overall.
If you can't see that then I am afraid you don't know anything about trading, the market or EVE in general. |
quickshot89
Caldari
89th Logistics
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:38:00 - [ 35]
Edited by: quickshot89 on 20/05/2009 12:39:36
its called trade skills OP, get them trained up ;)
edit: the real life market is not stable, hence thats why we are in a global recession |
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:39:00 - [ 36]
i dont know anything about trading then..
|
Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders |
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:41:00 - [ 37]
This has to be the best Terminus post in at least nine months.
Seriously, you earned your 10m on this one bro. |
Narfas Deteis |
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:43:00 - [ 38]
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Ship type: Money Cart Ship name: Croesus Developer: InterBus Steals money from other pilots. 1000% bonus to effectiveness of ISK Nosferatu modules per level. 5% bonus to Forum Whine per level. Role bonus: able to equip ISK Nosferatu modules. Immunity to targeted interdiction modules. Slots: 8/8/8 How does it look? |
Jita Security |
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:45:00 - [ 39]
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:45:40 Originally by: Narfas Deteis
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Ship type: Money Cart
*SNIP*
How does it look?
I am not interested in nefarious scamming/criminal ships I'm afraid. All sorts of suggestions for scamming ships have been made by many players in many forums. I want TRADE ships, not CRIME ships. It is already far too easy for a scammer to operate. |
quickshot89
Caldari
89th Logistics
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:46:00 - [ 40]
trade ship = freighter? they ferry goods for trade?
|
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:52:00 - [ 41]
Originally by: quickshot89
trade ship = freighter? they ferry goods for trade?
but they gief no bonusseeseses like +5% per skill lvl profits. |
quickshot89
Caldari
89th Logistics
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:53:00 - [ 42]
you get a cargo bonus per lvl, so you can fit more stuff to sell which should increase profits? |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:54:00 - [ 43]
Originally by: Jita Security
Solution Part 1:
Combat pilots get ships with combat bonuses.
Exploration pilots get ships with exploration bonuses.
Traders get ships with? Nothing.
Give me ships with bonuses to trade skills or give me death. A frigate that increases profit margins by 5% per level. A tradecruiser that makes people pay 5% per level more then the price on the market. A tradeship with bonuses to lasers and shield resistances. Every other profession has more then one class of ship absolutely dedicated to their goals APART FROM TRADERS.
The last time I checked, industrials received a 5% cargo/level bonus. |
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:56:00 - [ 44]
Originally by: quickshot89
you get a cargo bonus per lvl, so you can fit more stuff to sell which should increase profits?
BUT BUT.. THEY NEED TO GIEF BOOST TO PROFIT.. ie. if i sell something with a 10% profit and im maxed out skill wise in my trading ship ill get like 12.5% profit and then i would be able to win eve... the game! |
Jita Security |
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:58:00 - [ 45]
Edited by: Jita Security on 20/05/2009 12:58:50Since when was the ability to move stuff around a TRADE skill? Do you need TRADE skills to fly an industrial ship? Does it improve any of your TRADE skills i.e. can you make more market orders cause your ship level went up one? Do any of them help you spot gaps in the MARKET to exploit with your TRADE skills? No. Please stop trolling what is a serious topic. You've all had your fun. Thank you.EDIT: Originally by: Ji Sama
BUT BUT..
THEY NEED TO GIVE BOOST TO PROFIT.. ie. if i sell something with a 10% profit and im maxed out skill wise in my trading ship ill get like 12.5% profit!
Thank you! Finally someone gets what I am trying to say here. |
Darkerz Reloaded
Gallente |
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:59:00 - [ 46]
damn thee cat ! |
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 12:59:00 - [ 47]
1: train toon for trading.
2: get trading ship with special trading bonus
3: ?
4: profit |
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:00:00 - [ 48]
also nothing serious in this OP.
either the OP is a ****** or a troll. i vote troll 0/10 |
Jita Security |
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:01:00 - [ 49]
Originally by: Ji Sama
also nothing serious in this OP.
either the OP is a ****** or a troll. i vote troll 0/10
Do you often reply 6 times to a topic you think is a 0/10 troll? |
Nerve Junkie
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:01:00 - [ 50]
Aww.... baby want his bottle?
Whats wrong your invulnerability field II for 1m isk not working for you anymore? |
Akido Bushido
Caldari
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:02:00 - [ 51]
Originally by: Jita Security
Please stop trolling what is a "serious" topic. You've all had your fun. Thank you.
fixed it for u. |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:08:00 - [ 52]
Originally by: Jita Security
Just a little background for all you lame flamers and trolls:
IRL I am a successful day trader (not blowing my own horn here but I make 7 figure sums in USD a quater).
I own my own brokerage firm and mainly deal with stocks relating to ship builders and other naval industries. I KNOW what I am talking about, I KNOW all about the basic and advanced concepts behind trading and I KNOW for a fact that trading in this game is 100% broken.
IRL we have all sorts of laws and independant bodies to monitor and control the market which is why the world economy is as stable and realiable as it is. However being devoid of these safe guards in EVE it seems to have allowed about 10-12 people to control the ENTIRE market and make it dance to their whims. The only one of which I have been able to identify is the self-styled "Queen of Scams" Delphi Grendalus.
My solutions would not only free the market from the clutches of these shadowy 12 figures (lets just call them, MJ-12 or Market Judicators-12) but also allow it to slip and flow organically. It should be plainly obvious to everyone that everything being controlled in this way puts way too much power into the hands of only a few and is bad for the game, overall.
If you can't see that then I am afraid you don't know anything about trading, the market or EVE in general.
No. But +1 for LOLarific conspiracy crap.  |
Major Stormer
Caldari
MEK Enterprises
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:20:00 - [ 53]
I totally agree.
On a related topic, there should be no stations, and everywhere in eve needs to be 0.0., All ships should warp/jump/cyno to wherever I am apon logout. |
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:27:00 - [ 54]
Originally by: Major Stormer
I totally agree.
On a related topic, there should be no stations, and everywhere in eve needs to be 0.0., All ships should warp/jump/cyno to wherever I am apon logout.
NO EVE IS A PVE GAME |
Anos Tammo |
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:43:00 - [ 55]
Edited by: Anos Tammo on 20/05/2009 13:53:30
OP, if you can't make any profit trading in EVE, then you're doing it wrong. That's all there is to it.
And I'm sure you're smart enough to be able to figure out the differentiation of the in-game trading possibilities to that of real-life. You can't expect a online game to be affected by all the factors one would see in real-life, as the online game markets excist only within the structure of the game mechanics and the liberties of it's players within that construct. As such, don't expect the EVE market or EVE's players to behave within the reasoning of real life, though EVE's market is the closest to the real thing I've come accross in a GAME.
So to succeed in trading in EVE, the age old beaten horse, though no less true, Learn and Adapt, is key.
edit: added second and third clause in retort to the OP's self-reflecting remarks. |
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:45:00 - [ 56]
Originally by: Anos Tammo
OP, if you can't make any profit trading, then you're doing it wrong. That's all there is to it.
you know nothing about trading then. |
Anos Tammo |
Posted - 2009.05.20 13:55:00 - [ 57]
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel |
Posted - 2009.05.20 14:05:00 - [ 58]
Originally by: Jita Security
It is very difficult to make any kind of profit trading. Many turn to scamming in an effort to make a quick buck such as the legend Delphi Grendalus. More often then not traders in this game actually make a LOSS, not a profit. Trading as it is right now is completely BROKEN and DEAD.
you're either not very astute, or you're doing it wrong. my trade alt can make 100's of millions per day, depending on how much work I put in. i think you just want an "i whine" button. oh wait, you found that one. was it an "i win" button you wanted? |
rodensteiner
Amarr
OMGROFLSTOMP
|
Posted - 2009.05.20 14:05:00 - [ 59]
There exist no ships with bonuses that effect your profit margins, no matter what "profession" they're used for.
Ships get bonuses towards what they're intended for - scanning, speed, damage output, tanking, cargo capacity, etc.
People that mine use mining ship bonuses to help them profit by being able to mine quicker, more efficient, etc.
People that haul items use hauling ship bonuses to help them profit by being able to carry more items per run, etc.
People that mission use ship bonuses to help them destroy targets faster, etc.
People that go ratting use ship bonuses to help them destroy targets faster, etc.
What I'm getting at, is that no ships have bonuses that directly influence profits/income. So why should there be a shiptype that does give bonuses with a direct impact on that?
If you wanted your special trading ship that gives percent bonuses to your profit margin, whatever, then you'd have to give ships used for ratting and missioning percent bonuses to bounties collected, mining ships would get percent bonuses to how much their minerals/ores get sold for, hauling ships would get percent bonuses to what their goods get sold for, etc. |
Reyold Bengali
Caldari |
Posted - 2009.05.20 14:17:00 - [ 60]
Originally by: Jita Security
...the legend Delphi Grendalus.
For this alone I'm giving the post a 1/10. |
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