Posted - 2009.03.31 10:08:00 - [3]

 

Sorry but in some wormhole, it's not possible to pass with rorqual.

And how do you make in this case ?

And not every body is in low sec.

Posted - 2009.03.31 11:16:00 - [5]

 

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[Proposal] Change the refining array or add a new array type

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I'm likin.

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Hi, I am in the wormhole with some player since 4 days with a pos.

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Not likin.

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And some players have began to mine some gravitometric.

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Some pretty damn stupid players.

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The situation is too stupid, I have only one covetor and the medium intensive refining array is completely out to follow the covetor.

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Ya it's a funneh thing the reactor. BAsically anyone who might want to use it. Will easily overrun the stupid thing. Add on top of that. The thing basically hogs the whole tower; takes forever; and uses tons of fuel.

Big waste of time, isk, and energy.

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This situation is stupid, Imagine if i have 4 hulk in the wormhole.

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Yep. Our mining op got to about 150km3 and i was like. Ya um time to stop mining.

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Ok, My propisition is to make a new array. This array will be about the same then the rorqual. To make the compression of the ore.

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Thusly making the actual rorqual useless?


Sorry but proposal isnt supported; as it isnt very practical.

The refiners blow chunks; that's for sure. 25% loss... just because?

Boosting these refiners hurt who? Rorquals more or less? But even then there's value in using rorqual still. Who is left to take advantage of the boost? 0.0 and low sec people. They dont have stations to put stuff into.

Im pretty sure a 0.0 mining boost sure wont hurt things.

Some might come and say. But jason. What about the drone regions? Pff those guys are so heavy in sov 3 and minnie outposts and easily defendable choke systems rolling into like 9-10 systems. Those guys wont even bother using refiners.

Posted - 2009.03.31 14:52:00 - [7]

 

Yep the rorqual have not the same utility than the "compressing Array"

With the rorqual have an nice bonus, the clone jump, Hangar array, Compressing ore.

And it's not possible to use the rorqual on all wormhole.

Sorry for me this request is interesting.

Posted - 2009.03.31 17:54:00 - [9]

 

Originally by: Niskin

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Understanding that English is not your first language, there is a problem. This statement, in English, doesn't mean anything:

"The situation is too stupid, I have only one covetor and the medium intensive refining array is completely out to follow the covetor."

Please restate.

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I think he's saying that the array can't keep up.

Posted - 2009.04.01 03:46:00 - [11]

 

Qty ore refining = Capacity / operation duration

Medium intensive refining array = 25 000 / 90 = 278 m3 /min
Intensive Refining array = 200 000 / 180 = 1111 m3 / min

With mining V, Astrogeology V, MLU V

Strip miner I And Covetor
540 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.15 * 1.05 = 1018 m3 / cycle ( with cycle 180 s but three strip on the covetor) = 1018 m3 / min

" damned about 1 covetor = 1 intensive refining array"

Strip miner II with crystals T2 and hulk

360 * 1.25 *1.25 * 1.15 *1.15 * 1.15 *1.05 *1.05 * 1.05^2* 1.75 = 1819 m3 /cycle same then before = 1819 m3 /min

Hum oki

you need about 1.6 intensive refining array for 1 hulk

Cpu need for the intensive refining array 4000 cpu

You need two large control tower for 1 hulk ???????

Or one control tower for 1 covetor

The system must be balanced.

Posted - 2009.04.02 23:01:00 - [13]

 

Refining arrays have one purpose, to refine ice. A bunch of small ones on a large tower can refine insane amounts of ice quickly at 100% efficiency. For ore, they've never been worth it. If any decent system with high-end ores was way to far to fly hauling as you go to a station then a new outpost was built there. with the CRAZY amount of loss (25% I think is crazy for the intensive one, and the mind boggling 65% loss on the small one, coupled how slow they are make them never (in the past and even now) a viable way to refine ore.

Personally I'd love to see POS's get some serious love, redesigned from scratch with the "Flogging a dead horse" design idea, a unified corp hanger (mods just increase size of it) and refining array mods that you can add that will get you 100% refine ability at some serious cost (like doubling or more the fuel costs of the tower).

In reality this the whole POS system needs scrapped and redone. Just trying to repurpose refining arrays for w-space pos's isn't really something I'd want them to waste time on. I'd love to see the next Fall 09 expansion to be entirely about sov mechanics, outpost and pos redesign.

Guess I went off topic there.

Posted - 2009.04.14 19:03:00 - [15]

 

Refining arrays are useless for ore due to the 25% loss. Unless you are mining Arkonor then you are better off mining Veldpsar in high sec than taking the 25% loss from refining at a pos. The annoyingly slow pace they operate at is a fair price to pay for not having to haul to a station, but the loss is killer and needs to go. They should behave like a 20-30% base refinery so you can at least get the loss down to less than a few percent with max skills and an implant.