| Author |
Topic |
The Qat
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:37:00 - [ 181]
 Originally by: Nicholas Barker
lol, threadnaughting is now a legitimate tactic.
did you know that companies generally respond to legitimate complaints from their customers lest they lose those customers |
Kuranta
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:37:00 - [ 182]
Edited by: Kuranta on 25/03/2009 19:37:40 Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: GM Grimmi
We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information we’d collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.
We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.
GM Grimmi.
Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?
I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?
I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.
Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.
Thanks in advance.
Really liked your work as CSM, even voted for you. But if you still can't grasp the fact that BoB would have had to form a new alliance and then petition for a name change and not join an existing one. CoW did reform - BoB did not. Thats why no name change at all. |
Swamp Ziro
Ultimate Betrayal.
Vera Cruz Alliance |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:37:00 - [ 183]
it'd cut down on the "GUYS my account was hacked" posts tho so I dunno i might actually like it :) |
Zeph1rus
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:37:00 - [ 184]
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
lol, threadnaughting is now a legitimate tactic.
If you had come upon the assumption this was a threadnought sir, I am glad to be able to inform you of your mistake! Surely such a tower of majesty as a threadnought in full prime could not be mistaken for this pitiful collection of posts; why, there are only find 6 pages! Verily no tables have been broken. If this is a threadnought sir, I say to you it is a poor one, for shame. * Poking my head in here to remind you that this is off-topic and any further discussion about whether or not this is a threadnought will be deleted - Fallout |
Swamp Ziro
Ultimate Betrayal.
Vera Cruz Alliance |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:39:00 - [ 185]
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CommmanderInChief |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:39:00 - [ 186]
When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something? |
Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:39:00 - [ 187]
Originally by: Tipsy
This seems crazy. Why should changing the name of an alliance in circumstances like these require losing all sovereignty? Given the connection that KenZoku has to the old BoB name/new BoB Reloaded name I don't see that the usual "can't have name changes on a whim, they're an integral part..." argument has a great deal of weight either. I hope the CSM mandates easier name-changes in future.
Points to the Swarm for establishing Sov 4 on the forums.
That may be a valid issue. CCP could address it by publically announcing that they are setting new rules for alliance name changes. Then everyone can apply at same time, bobs and other silly name alliances. Honestly I don't think it's wrong to have some kind of mechanism for name changes - if it can't be done too often, if there's cost involved, and if old name is kept visible somewhere in Show Info |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:41:00 - [ 188]
Originally by: CommmanderInChief
When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?
gets reset to 1 I believe the difference between sov 1 and 3 is huge |
Talzaris
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 - [ 189]
Originally by: CommmanderInChief
When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?
Towers are anchored by corps but sovereignty is claimed by your alliance. So since all the towers anchored by Kenny are done by the individual member corps, as soon as those corps transferred over to the new alliance sov would drop from Sov 3 (KenZoku) to Sov 1 (Whatever their new alliance name is) Unless all the towers anchored for Kenny were done by the holding corp, which they are not. |
CommmanderInChief |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 - [ 190]
reset why? the alliance hasnt changed they would just have one corp and holding one..you wouldnt lose sov level cos of that..then all real corps move to band of brothers reloaded? |
Akelorian
Caldari
FinFleet
Raiden. |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 - [ 191]
Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.
Well,
This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as [redacted - Fallout] anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.
- Akelorian |
Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 - [ 192]
Originally by: Berious
Wasn't there a whole devblog about account sharing? Boiled down to "Really we don't care, just don't come crying to us if you account share and your stuff gets stolen"
Seems pretty clear cut to me, though I might have just dreamt that.
If you can find it link me to it because if that's true then I'll shut up about it. |
Gorfob
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 - [ 193]
Edited by: Gorfob on 25/03/2009 19:44:07 Originally by: Jade Constantine
GM Grimmi.
Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?
I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?
I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.
Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.
Thanks in advance.
Assuming they lose sov 3 in the last 9 systems they own. I could live with this. It's not like when they disband the alliance after losing everything we won't retake the name. |
Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 - [ 194]
Originally by: Akelorian
Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.
Well,
This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as [redacted - Fallout] anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.
- Akelorian
Do you even understand sov mechanics? |
CommmanderInChief |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:44:00 - [ 195]
Originally by: Talzaris
Originally by: CommmanderInChief
When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?
Towers are anchored by corps but sovereignty is claimed by your alliance.
So since all the towers anchored by Kenny are done by the individual member corps, as soon as those corps transferred over to the new alliance sov would drop from Sov 3 (KenZoku) to Sov 1 (Whatever their new alliance name is)
Unless all the towers anchored for Kenny were done by the holding corp, which they are not.
Ah i see..I assumed it was under the alliance . thx for clearing that |
Seth Rock
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:44:00 - [ 196]
good job CCP |
VENOM2k99
Cursed Alliance |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:45:00 - [ 197]
Originally by: GM Grimmi
We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information we’d collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.
We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.
Thanks, that was the only right choice to make. We'll keep watching you  |
Mr M |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:45:00 - [ 198]
So here we yet again have the proof that the devs are in GoonSwarm |
Zeph1rus
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:46:00 - [ 199]
Originally by: Akelorian
Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.
Well,
This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as [redacted - Fallout] anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.
- Akelorian
I'm going to be nice because it's understandable that you don't know what you're talking about since you're in the mighty INTERDICTION, and the only time you took a station it was by accident, but if they'd done this properly all their Sov claims drop. Which is why there is an outcry. |
The Qat
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:46:00 - [ 200]
Originally by: Akelorian
Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.
Well,
This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as [redacted - Fallout] anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.
- Akelorian
you're under the mistaken assumption that it's possible to offend goons |
Serj Darek |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:48:00 - [ 201]
Yay, another name! |
KeratinBoy
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:48:00 - [ 202]
Originally by: Akelorian
Late posting in a thread about preferential treatment.
Well,
This is a game, the rules should apply to everyone, well done CCP.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to cry.
- Akelorian
Fixed that for you chief. On topic, plz. |
Akelorian
Caldari
FinFleet
Raiden. |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:48:00 - [ 203]
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Do you even understand sov mechanics?
Why yes I do, your crying about what two whole systems in delve that are sov 3? about a name change that doesn't really affect anything? Are you guys that immature that the only thing you can complain about is, OMFG CCP so Favours BoB? *shrug* if its that difficult for you to take two sov 3 systems, its no surprise that the only way delve was taken was by fully removing the sov that BoB had by dissolving the alliance. So do you know anything about sov mechanics? |
Ignoramus Dingle
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:50:00 - [ 204]
nice to see CCP redeemed themselves. KenZoku, you need to get over your internet egos and realize you're not above the rules. if you want a name change, create a new alliance and drop sov claims just like everyone else. |
Morning Mist
DJ's Retirement Fund
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:53:00 - [ 205]
Originally by: Akelorian
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Do you even understand sov mechanics?
Why yes I do, your crying about what two whole systems in delve that are sov 3? about a name change that doesn't really affect anything? Are you guys that immature that the only thing you can complain about is, OMFG CCP so Favours BoB?
*shrug* if its that difficult for you to take two sov 3 systems, its no surprise that the only way delve was taken was by fully removing the sov that BoB had by dissolving the alliance.
So do you know anything about sov mechanics?
Playing by the rules is really too hard for people to understand I guess. I love the justification though that the rules can be bent if it's "only a few systems". |
Tector
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:53:00 - [ 206]
Originally by: Akelorian
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Do you even understand sov mechanics?
Why yes I do, your crying about what two whole systems in delve that are sov 3? about a name change that doesn't really affect anything? Are you guys that immature that the only thing you can complain about is, OMFG CCP so Favours BoB?
*shrug* if its that difficult for you to take two sov 3 systems, its no surprise that the only way delve was taken was by fully removing the sov that BoB had by dissolving the alliance.
So do you know anything about sov mechanics?
Now, I've been busy with school and haven't been up and up on the war in Delve, but last I checked the issue didn't have much to do with Kenny's non-existant sov in Delve. |
Garathyal |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:53:00 - [ 207]
Edited by: Garathyal on 25/03/2009 19:53:47
CCP-Swarm responds with the usual bollox.
It is a cave in to the usual spam most of us can see that. |
Akelorian
Caldari
FinFleet
Raiden. |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:54:00 - [ 208]
I love you goonies, I want to take one of you home and keep you, and cuddle you and call you George, oh and pet you. Your feeble attempts to stir anger out of me by insulting the alliance I am a member of, will not work. I care little about who is who, all I've learned is that goons will cry about anything, and pull the innocent bystanders while labeling everyone a cheater other than yourselves.
In my humble opinion, its just a name. Petition for your alliance name to be changed. And if it is, I doubt anyone will care. But I suppose it would take someone not on your side to dissolve the Goons alliance, take the name with an alt, and laugh about it.
I fully see why people are taking this way too seriously. As I have stated it is a name change, they have a few systems in delve at sov 3, and what does it really hurt?
Yes that [redacted - Fallout] is something that we can no longer have been refered too as.
though I did chuckle when that was first brought up.
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:55:00 - [ 209]
Edited by: Zothike on 25/03/2009 19:59:23
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Nick Curso
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2009.03.25 19:56:00 - [ 210]
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Akelorian
Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.
Well,
This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as [redacted - Fallout] anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.
- Akelorian
Do you even understand sov mechanics?
Nice Sig |
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